LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:43 pm

wildrose 2010-07-08:
Lie detecting through the use of the polygraph or microexpressions or body language has about as much credibility as astrology. They all make great parlor tricks and have a little value as sources of entertainment, but anyone who takes them seriously is out to lunch!!!
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:45 pm

Jamessel 2010-07-08:
I think a lot can be read in body lingo and interrogation techniques. It's all to "often" obvious when pursuing the truth.
It's not a science its an art.
People need to be taught the wisdom of and between the Two.
Consider the following. A crime is committed, a witness is scared to tell what they have seen. (like who killed JR?) a skilled investigator might be able to read this and come up with a plan to put the witness at easy and get the facts.
The scenarios are endless. But, Its a fricken art. Don't abuse it.
Members of the Jury beware!

The lying detection machine are junk science. Like said in an earlier reply are these reading from anxiety of lying or fear of the machine getting wrong, I don't think we have to worry about ever being ordered to take to the lie-detector. The "art" is that if some one fails it. then if they are a stupid criminal who did it they will maybe feel hopeless and confess. now that's art.
The concerns people have is ... What roll will this junk science play in the court room or worse. If I had one and it was absolute in the truth. Your spouse could pay a reasonable fee to have you hooked up for a few minutes. them what LOL for you.
Lie-detecting its a suckers game.
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:48 pm

pcslim 2010-08-07:
Here's another one of these misinformation clips. Here we have an "expert" make untrue claims and it could all be ignored as harmless entertainment if it didn't enable people to justify their prejudicial judgments by claiming that they noticed "body language" that made them decide a person was lying. The problem is that this is a news show and it provides the pretense that this is legitimate and that is a horrible disservice to the public.
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:51 pm

pcslim 2010-08-08:
It's interesting how "news" agencies exploit the fantasies of their audience. Maybe they're just spinning legitimate research to make it seem more interesting to their readers. It's quite a leap from charting brainwaves to knowing what someone is thinking, but reporters like to titillate readers by inflating the facts or exaggerating the implications of the research!
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What if we could read the mind of a terrorist? Researchers at Northwestern University in Chicago say they have taken a step closer to that reality with a test that could uncover nefarious plans by measuring brain waves. 'Minority Report', anyone?

LINK: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2009131,00.html
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:54 pm

MojaveMike 2010-08-13:
My hypothesis is that belief in the efficacy of the polygraph is correlated to lack of training in the scientific method. Unfortunately, I'm not convinced that everybody has the intelligence to benefit from such training. The polygraph is not really an improvement over the methods used during the Salem Witch Trials. It's just that the gadgets are so impressive that the idiots just buy the story they're told. (Not that they have the mental resources to critically evaluate the story in the first place...)
By the 1980s, polygraphing had a one-billion-dollar industry in the United States, with different models and testing methods of application not only for criminal investigation, but also as a tool for testing employees in the workplace. However, its efficacy and accuracy became increasingly disputed by scientists who labeled the polygraph a tool of "junk science" because of the many variables involved physiological changes, the subjective nature of data interpretation by polygraph examiners, the misuse and abuse found in many cases, and the many documented cases of false positive and false negative results.

In contrast, many individuals who were convicted for crimes based on polygraph tests in the first half of the twentieth century were later found to be innocent (false positive results), which led courts in general to deny the acceptability of polygraph tests as valid evidence.

LINK: http://www.enotes.com/forensic-science/polygraph-case-histories
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 pm

pcslim 2010-08-22:
Here's an interesting comment left following an article about the Kyron Horman case:
Most true experts consider the polygraph to be worthless in terms of determining whether or not someone is telling the truth. There are "experts" who will swear that the polygraph is useful in detecting lies, but they have a vested interest in convincing the public that polygraphs do what they are claimed to do. However, the polygraph is a good prop that can be used by law enforcement to intimidate suspects and to groom the public into believing in the guilt of persons of interest. They used to dunk suspected witches in the days of Salem to determine guilt or innocence, now we have a group of people who believe in the polygraph. Junk science + stupid people = Injustice.
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

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desertrat 2010-09-22:
Facts on the reliability of polygraph testing
Unintelligent members of the law enforcement community really believe in it and intelligent members of the law enforcement community realize it's just a prop, but the bottom line is that it still gets used despite the fact that it's junk science!
The National Academy of Science had declared in 2002 in their report entitled ?The Polygraph and Lie Detection?that polygraph testing is unscientific. The basis of the assessment and judgment lie on the lack of fixed standards of polygraph testing. In addition, they declared that more than one hundred years of study in psychology and physiology had concluded that the use polygraph testing had bear little evidence to prove to be highly accurate. They also argued that despite further research in the improvement of polygraph testing will only bring minor innovation in its accuracy to determine detection.

LINK: http://www.helium.com/items/1956105-facts-on-the-reliability-of-polygraph-testing
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:23 am

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pcslim wrote:There was a great thread on the polygraph last year before the old threads were all wiped out. Maybe those can be reposted. A lot of that information was quite pertinent to this thread. Also some of the information in that thread was quite interesting and of high quality.
PLEASE REPOST!!! :bow:

I think there may have been two threads. The following posts are from an old thread called "The Science of Lying." I think it contains a total of 13 posts (we'll find out I guess one way or the other). If you recall the name of any other threads let me know. It's a bit of a pain looking through the old database since it's all command line stuff!

Great job!!! I really appreciate your willingness to exhume the old posts and repost them like this! Some of the posts in this thread are quite insightful and contain links to excellent resources on this subject!
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Fri Feb 18, 2011 6:48 pm

Feds Accidentally Seize 84,000 Websites
The idiots in charge are at it again. This time they mistakenly took down 84,000 websites. All in the name of child porn of course! Jesus freaking Christ just give it a break after awhile! I hope the people who were wrongfully targeted in this blundered law enforcement operation are able to sue the federal government for everything it has! What a bunch of f*ck ups we have working for ICE!
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Sun May 15, 2011 7:25 am

The Senators Who Say Merely Linking To Certain Sites Should Be A Felony
Placing hyperlinks on a web page (like this one) could be a crime? That would include embedding a YouTube video that turns out to have been placed on YouTube without the proper authorization. That's just plain nuts!!!
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I wrote earlier about how the new PROTECT IP Act guts parts of the DMCA, but as you dig deeper, it's looking even worse. The original (and now updated) article focused on the use of the term "interactive computer service," which was in a draft copy of the bill. At the last minute, that was changed instead to be "information location tool." While, at first, this may seem to be a narrower definition, there are some serious concerns that this effectively makes it illegal to link to any website that is accused of being "dedicated to infringing purposes." That's because an "information location tool" is defined under current law to be: a "directory, index, reference, pointer, or hypertext link."

Yes, you read that correctly: a link is an "information location tool" and such tools may be barred from pointing to sites deemed "dedicated to infringing" purposes. That seems like a massive breach of the First Amendment. If there is relevant information, as someone covering the news, why should I be prevented from linking?

LINK: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110513/11210514265/senators-who-say-merely-linking-to-certain-sites-should-be-felony.shtml
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby Anonymizer » Sun May 15, 2011 7:44 am

Just about everything our government leaders say or do is nuts. What's your point?
Insanity Rampant in the District of Criminals: now they want to tax us per mile

Food prices have risen almost 90% in the last year, 60% of that rise occurring immediately after the passage of the fake food safety bill which was actually a forced export bill with 80% of our agricultural production now pushed into the global market for commodity speculation and pricing.

Home foreclosures are still at historic highs. Of course the Jackasses would never think of clamping down on corrupt mortgage lenders and seizing their ill gotten gains or putting any one of them in jail for their corruption. That would be just too much to ask.

As gas prices at the pumps continue to rise without explanation it appears that the Jackass in Chief has decided it might be a good idea to attach surveillance equipment to each and every vehicle in the US and to tax us per mile that we drive. This traveling surveillance tax would be applied every time you bought a gallon of gas.

I have some questions:

1. How much is this surveillance equipment going to cost per unit?

2. Who is going to pay the unit and for having it installed?

3. What if it fails?

4. What other information are they going to gather?

5. What if I don’t want my car gps’d?

6. Whom has the government already contracted with to produce these invasions of privacy? (and you know they have!)

(For questions 1 & 2, the answers are…you and me!)

From the article at CNSNEWS:

“What I see this administration doing is this — thinking outside the box on how we fund our infrastructure inAmerica,” he said.

Strange..what I see is this administration trying to find some other way of raising revenue without letting the Bush tax cuts expire on the wealthy. Or, maybe a way to avoid cutting those 38 billion in subsidies to oil cartels.

As an aside here: I want to know why inflated taxation is not considered a penalty when applied to the middle and working classes, but is a penalty if applied equally and fairly to the wealthy? Someone? Anyone?

Furthermore, so much of our infrastructure is for sale or has been sold to foreign governments, corporations and investors while at the same time what has remained owned has been allowed to deteriorate. So where was all the money in the Transportation Department going? Apparently, considering the crumbling condition of our highways, roads and bridges, it wasn’t going there.

“It did work to build the interstate system and it was very effective, there’s no question about that. But the big question now is, We’re into the 21st century and how are we going to take care of our infrastructure needs … with a highway trust fund that had to be plused up by $8 billion by Congress last year?”

Hey! Mr LaHood! If you cut those tax breaks and subsidies to the oil cartels, you would have an additional 30 billion after you deducted the 8 billion you’re crying about, to take care of our infrastructure needs.

30 billion would go a long way in job creation by putting people to work rebuilding and repairing our infrastructure, rather than putting 38 billion in the pockets of cartels who are investing everywhere but here and who are simultaneously showing historically high profits.

And one more thing Mr. LaHood….we don’t need no stinkin’ Public Private Partnerships (PPP’s) to do anything. What you are actually talking about here is the divvying up of our infrastructure assets and handing them over to those same foreign governments and corporations and calling it a “business model” (agenda 21). The government funds these arrangements for the most part, the investor does some funding, and the whole mess is sold off in the end to people we never even knew were there. Through government collusion with a foreign, or even domestic, interest we lose what we bought and paid for.

And on this Agenda 21 thing: With TSA now interferring with our legal right to travel freely, unaccosted by criminals, thugs, and other government employees, this per mile tax is the next step in the UN Agenda 21 Sequestered Populations plan. Many people will be forced into highly populated sequestered areas as a result of the additional costs and the refusal to comply with surveillance. What is at work here is the systematic creation of plans meant to make it so difficult, so invasive for you to travel…you won’t! You’ll stay right in your little center like you are supposed to.

It doesn’t surprise me that when we are facing disastrous economic and financial difficulties as a nation, a plan surfaces which will eventually be foisted on the states, funded in part by the federal government in order for it to be enforceable in the states (this according to the “Unfunded Mandates Act”,) that will come down hardest on those who can least afford it.
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Re: LIES THE GOVERNMENT TELLS

Postby shadylady » Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:08 am

Brief History Of The Pledge Of Allegiance
Interesting history of the pledge. Individual liberty more important than the state! We have the right to be left alone. The right to be different. The right not to conform. Sometimes it seems that people who think they are patriotic, actually hate freedom and liberty!
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